Feminists politicize a criminal/civility issue

There is no serious anarcho-communist movement in the West. I’ve never read any scholar or heard any political office holder or serious contender claiming that if you lack an item, it’s OK to take it from someone who has more than one. No one says that if you’re hungry, you can just walk into a food store and take food or help yourself into a private home and loot the fridge. Such views – even if they exist – are extreme fringe.

Because of lack of such views, fighting them would look insane. If a politician would start running the slogan “no one can loot your fridge”, people would consider him insane, despite they agree with the statement.

The fun thing is that your fridge isn’t safe. In the USA 15.9 million times in 2016 were properties harmed: cars stolen, homes burglarized, shop items lifted, pockets picked or even people robbed violently. That’s not a small number. It’s likely that most people suffer some kind of action against his property somewhere his life. My parent’s garden was attempted to be robbed when I was a kid (in this type of crime, the thief is going for lawnmowers, power tools and other items left unguarded around the house without actually breaking into anything). The attempt failed due to a 100 pounds dog.

So by this statistics we can conclude that there is a very serious anarcho-communist movement going on, with millions of activists trying to redistribute property and this should be in the focus of modern politics.

Except, of course this is bullshit. The thieves aren’t political, but criminal. They don’t steal because they believe it’s the right thing to do, but because they don’t care what’s right. They weren’t trying to steal my dad’s lawnmower because they believed it to be unjust privilege, but because they wanted to sell it for booze. The thieves aren’t in a political party, don’t work together for an utopia where all property is commonly used, they just break the law for their own lowly reasons. Because of that, no political answer is needed or given. There are no marches and speeches against thievery, robbery or shoplifting. If it gets into the debate, it’s only mentioned as “more resources to the police”. The point is that there is a cultural consensus that theft is bad and it includes thieves too. I mean if a thief found his home robbed while he was out robbing, he would be upset instead of celebrating this as cultural progress.

The same thing is true for sexism. There are sexist incidents in large supply. I’m pretty sure that most women are subjected to dog whistles, unsolicited touches, internet bully or workplace harassment somewhere in their lives. I do agree that resources should be allocated to fight these annoying or outright criminal acts. But forming a political movement against it is just as insane as the anti-thief movement. Like thieves, the sexists are just bad people who don’t care what’s right. They want some sexual arousal for themselves so they touch, whistle and yell. They don’t think it’s OK. They wouldn’t want it to happen with their mum, wife or daughter. But they do it anyway because they are bad people.

The feminist movement imagines a movement behind these bad people: the patriarchy. It’s a crazy conspiracy theory, no better than the one that claims that the thieves are all controlled by some Marxist mastermind who directs them where to go rob. They witch-hunt conservatives for being in this “patriarchy”, despite no one is there. There isn’t anyone – including actual harassers – who says that sexual harassment is right. No one controls, motivates or protects the harassers, just like no one does it with the thieves.

But-but-but men stand idle when harassment happens! They must be OK with it! – says the feminist, ignoring the fact that people stand idle when theft happens too. In most cases random people don’t play hero by running after a thief or give a car chase to a car robber. They might testify to police, but most of them just don’t want to get involved, so they look the other way. Being lazy doesn’t imply being supportive.

Sexism is mostly a civility issue. The perpetrator is an asshole and everyone thinks he’s an asshole. In some cases it’s a criminal issue, condemned by everyone. But it’s not a political issue, so feminism is completely pointless and even harmful, just like the movement against the imaginary anarcho-communists would do no good.

Author: Gevlon

My blog: https://greedygoblinblog.wordpress.com/

13 thoughts on “Feminists politicize a criminal/civility issue”

  1. There have been a couple of high profile western politicians with some funny ideas about private ownership as of late– Such as UK’s Labor Party Leader Jeremy Corbin, of the recently elected Democratic Socialist (an oxymoron if ever there was one) representative in the US, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. Not that it invalidates anything you said earlier.

    Also, there is a line of socialist thinking where thieves and other criminals are just revolutionaries in their “embryonic state”, who have yet to awake to their class conscience, upon which they would help join the “revolution”. By the way, this is where the idea of “poverty causes criminality” originally comes from, as they would be exploited by capitalism in their view, and as such would be closer to this embryonic stage. Its is absolute bollocks, sure, but it shows how even such obvious conclusions like “thieves are not political activists” can elude them.

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  2. You didn’t consider a case where criminal activities are supported by enemy country.
    Maybe movement against the imaginary anarcho-communists could find help in those cases.

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  3. Your argument works with sexual harassment, but not with with sexism in general. The Islam fanatic who believes in sharia law actually forces his wife and daughters to wear burkas all the same.

    Same thing for the “women should stay at home” type of sexism as well, I imagine.

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  4. The point is that there is a cultural consensus that theft is bad and it includes thieves too. […] The same thing is true for sexism.

    …except, as evidenced by you arguing against it, there’s not? You say you’re in favor of providing resources towards fighting these “annoying or criminal acts,” but what exactly does that look like in practice, if not what is currently occurring?

    The fact is that if a woman goes to someone else and says “He groped me,” she will experience wildly varying reactions, as opposed to “He stole my purse.” The latter is instant empathy and concern. The former is often met with “what were you wearing” or “why were you at that party to begin with,” and so on. Or, you know, claims that she made it all up to ruin the reputation of the guy. Very rarely, if ever, do we ask for proof from the victim of a thief.

    Ultimately, the entire thing is an exercise in manually shifting cultural mores. Back in high school, we’d say “this homework assignment is gay” without even the remotest thought that maybe an actual gay person might be upset at being used as a synonym for “dumb/bad.” We knew that “don’t be a Jew” was off-limits (depending on the audience), but that was as far as it went. Meanwhile, we made jokes about women being just good for making sandwiches, that X girl was a slut, that Y girl was a bitch for whatever reason, etc. Some people never grow out of that high school mentality, or even actively rail against “PC gone amok!” as if it’s a huge burden to not actively be an asshole.

    Patriarchy is just a name to a social phenomenon that is otherwise difficult to describe. Imagine if half of everyone didn’t believe thievery was even possible. Where would you start?

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  5. @Soge: no. The socialists want the STATE to redistribute wealth, not the individuals (thieves). Thievery was punished in the Soviet Union.

    @Hanura: Islam is indeed a sexist political system, but it’s not existent in the Western politics where my readers are. Sure, it might change, but then sexism will be the least of our problems.

    @Azuriel: because most sexism – unlike thievery is civility and not criminality issue. Random groping or dog-whistling isn’t that damaging to warrant criminal action. Similarly to internet bullying. I don’t think the cops would do anything about CCP Falcon bullying me and most people would just say “don’t play EVE so he can’t touch you”. Same thing with low-key sexual harassment. People might make a mental note “creep”, he might gets fired because the workplace doesn’t want his antics. The only really damaging form is rape and it’s seriously battled.

    The thing is that uncivility is almost impossible to destroy, because morons will be morons. He wants to be funny and tell jokes and he is too dumb to understand complicated issues. The question is what is better for the society:
    – women are sometimes told by random idiots that they are good only in making sandwitches
    – the lower half IQ of men are in jail/unemployable
    Sure, yes or no things can be banned like “don’t tell/yell/whistle anything to anyone you are not introduced to” or simply “don’t harass strangers”. Also, you can ban all kinds of touching in a workplace. But everything behind that is too complicated for the lower half.

    Yes, I do think that if you go to a place where alcohol is served, you kind-of-consent to various kinds of asshole behavior, because it’s technically impossible for drunk people to not be assholes. I also think that people are entitled of their negative opinion of other people in their personal life. So yes, Joe can call Jane “slut” to Jack, just like Jane can call him a “worthless pig”.

    We ALWAYS demand evidence from the victim of a thief. I don’t remember any cases when someone went to jail just because random guy called him a thief.

    My very point is that there is no social phenomenon, just “asshattery”, the natural mental product of dumb and uneducated people. There is no one who believes that sexism is right, evidenced by the fact that no one is sexist when authority figures are present. No one gropes front of the cops, no schoolkids call nobody sluts front of the teacher and workers don’t dog-whistle when the boss is around. They know that what they do is wrong, but they do it anyway because they are morons and slackers and NOT because they are “agents of patriarchy” who fight for a Gorean utopia.

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  6. Just a point of reffrence, to “no evidence of thievery needed and its diffrent when you say he stole my purse”.

    Try telling somebody Azuriel, that your wallet got stolen when you left it on a table in a bar and went to the toilet. How much sympathy and how much ridicule will you get? Stealing a wallet in those circumstance is just as wrong as pickpocketing, but I bet you anything you want, when you describe the situation you will get loughed at, not pittied. Or try telling people you got robbed, while walking around alone in the middle of the night in bad neighbourhood. You think you wont get asked “What were you doing there in the first place?!”. You are confusing common sense with sexism. Just as it is bad to steal a wallet a drunk guy left on the table in a bar, its bad to grope a provocatively dressed and/or behaving girl in that bar. In both cases though, people will tell you not to do it again, if you dont want that bad thing to happen again. Its common sense to expect your wallet to be stolen if you leave it on a table. Its common sense to expect you are going to get robbed, if you wander alone in the middle of the night in a bad place. Am I a victim blaming anarcho-communist for telling you to mayby not leave your wallet on the table in the bar, if you dont want it stolen?

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  7. This is all really an extension and byproduct of the Politically Correct movement. First it was speech control, now it’s borderline if not full fledged attempts at thought control.

    Can a particular woman be good at making sandwiches in addition to excelling in everything else she does in life? Most certainly!
    Can a particular woman be a slut? Yes!
    Can a particular woman be a bitch? Obviously!

    I have the right to mentally affirm or deny the above statements, in my mind, as it pertains to any particular woman I meet in life.

    Can any particular man be a sexist pig? Yes!
    Can any particular man be good at making chili and excel in other areas of his life? Of course!
    Can any particular man be a womanizer/slut? Obviously!

    I also have the right to mentally affirm or deny the above statements, in my mind, as it pertains to any particular man I meet in life.

    If enough people have the same affirmation about someone, does a crime only occur when something is verbalized within earshot of someone who might take offense? What if a person keeps it to themselves?

    Is it morally corrupt to be a Thief? A sexist pig? A slut? To make really bad sandwiches? The sad fact is that the answers to those questions will be determined by the political ideology of the person providing the answers.

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  8. Sexism is mostly a civility issue. The perpetrator is an asshole and everyone thinks he’s an asshole. In some cases it’s a criminal issue, condemned by everyone. But it’s not a political issue, so feminism is completely pointless and even harmful, just like the movement against the imaginary anarcho-communists would do no good.

    But but but me as a white cis man just looking towards any woman is literary raping her through the coals. And I don’t care if it’s true or not … here … a knife … just end it already and slit my throat.

    what can possibly go wrong humanities and social sciences have 18% self-identified and outspoken Marxists (10-20% https://www.quora.com/What-proportion-of-college-professors-are-Marxists ).

    In Germany this topic is largely taboo. no one talks about the left the doctrine the deaths needed to usher in perfect marxist utopia. If someone says something he will be called a nazi, and that weighs a lot more in germany than anywhere else because of the generationalguilt doctrine. And Germany is THE cesspit: Frankfurtschool are Antifa our most exported “product” and this goes under the radar of the majority of germans.

    it is not imaginary. and the “long march” (really read Antonio Gramsci prison notebooks and read what the enemy is doing over the past couple decades)
    how to unblind the west?

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  9. Azuriel:
    “The fact is that if a woman goes to someone else and says “He groped me,” she will experience wildly varying reactions, as opposed to “He stole my purse.” The latter is instant empathy and concern.”

    That’s not accurate. The former is met with empathy as well, but also with confusion as in “Ok, so? What do you want me to do about it?” Having property stolen is an actionable event, as it leaves an evidence trail. “He said, she said” things like having been groped (A subjective term in and of itself.) is not. The “wildly varying response” you get has to do with them wondering why you didn’t just handle it yourself.

    It’s as if you go to someone and say “That guy looked at me like he was going to steal my wallet!” You’ll get the same kind of reaction. Very few people are going to say “Well hell, we better call the popos and get that guy arrested!”

    Where I will disagree with Gevlon is that it’s not a result, per se, of dumb and uneducated people, it’s a result of people with minimal impulse control and a belief of what they “can get away with” before it becomes an actual crime. Is it poor behavior? Yes. But any consequences should be social, as in “Well, you’re not going to get a date with her!” rather than criminal. It would border on the criminal only if a preponderance of the evidence could be presented, and even then you have to watch out for false claims caused by a mob mentality. It’s a slippery slope.

    Would it be better if everyone acted in a civil manner all the time? Sure. Is it worth implementing the totalitarian dystopia that would be necessary to enforce that? Hell no.

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  10. @Gevlon

    “There is no serious anarcho-communist movement in the West. I’ve never read any scholar or heard any political office holder or serious contender claiming that if you lack an item, it’s OK to take it from someone who has more than one. No one says that if you’re hungry, you can just walk into a food store and take food or help yourself into a private home and loot the fridge.”

    Not sure how serious do you consider a mayor of a smallish town in spain, but….

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/spain/9467635/Spanish-mayor-hailed-as-modern-day-Robin-Hood.html

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  11. Gevlon,

    Your seem to using a very narrow and inadequate definition of “theft”. Theft is actually a highly politicized issue and there are large groups of people who believe that taking other people property is the right thing to do. They simply have a different definition of what theft is and what a person is entitled to own. One such group is called Communists and another such group is called Capitalists.

    On smaller fronts there are people that believe that copyright infringement is theft and there are others who believe that copyright is theft. There are groups that believe that taxes are theft and there are groups that believe that not paying taxes is theft.

    There are also plenty of people who believe that there is a conspiracy of people in power who want to legalize “theft” and actively protect thieves.

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  12. Hm… Groping is a criminal offense where I live… I do not know how people think that sexual harrassment is only a civility issue. There is a line between idiotic dog-whistling and grabbing someone by the p…. The latter is punishable by law while the former is just a moron identifying to the world the he is a moron…

    Anyway, I like the comparison, good food for thought…

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