Populist democracy is the only way

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Author: Gevlon

My blog: https://greedygoblinblog.wordpress.com/

13 thoughts on “Populist democracy is the only way”

  1. “The solution to this madness is that most professionals are not rational, just capable of compartmentalizing. […] But after he stands up from his machine, he switches back to social person, caring for emotions, peer acceptance and peer respect.”

    So the only people who can ever hope to be rational are psychopaths? As in people who do either do not experience emotions at all or are capable of controlling them (Vulcans style), not the senseless murderers.

    Also, would direct democracy make a society more efficient? After all, presidents like Trump are rare, and people from the middle class can never hope to run for president themselves.


  2. @Hanura H’arasch: people must struggle to become rational. Not being on facebook is a good start. But it’s not the point. The point is creating a political system that acts rationally while the people in it are social. The answer is to listen to the people who can’t afford to be social.

    @islanadeepsorrow: two reasons, both of them being “the socialist party were practically criminals”:
    – they removed loan regulations and openly encouraged people to take loans they clearly couldn’t repay. This increased the quality of life of people until they defaulted (which happened en-mass in 2008)
    – their 2006 program was flat out lie. Not in the sense of “too ambitious” but it was the exact opposite of what they did. It was a good program and if I could trust them a bit, I’d vote for him. After the election, they LITERALLY said “we lied to this fckn country” and start doing the opposite. Imagine Hillary running on the platform of building a higher wall and mass-deporting everyone and on election night announcing “lol suckers you fell for it”. Of course there were huge riots and their approval became one-digit and they lost every mayoral and special election and every public vote and the prime minister (strong position, imagine President+House speaker+Senate majority leader) had to resign.


  3. This also explains the madness of Silicon Valley CEOs. Google owners don’t care if it loses a quarter of its value, they are all billionaires one way or another.
    However, populist democracy has a huge risk of falling into logical paradoxes. People vote for their own interest – that’s good. Not so good when their interests happen to create a prisoner’s dilemma or tragedy of the commons. And they always do, eventually.


  4. Point of information: You compared a one-off quarterly rate against full year rates. The US GDP for 2017 Q1 & Q2 (with policies and spending heavily defined by prior government so Trump impact is minimal) are 1.2 and 3.0. That half-year growth is better/worse than 4 of the 8 halves from Obama 2nd presidency. (TL:DR – it is too early to judge Trump’s economic impact).

    Your final two paragraphs condense to “All politics is local” but I see it from a different perspective.
    Mainstream politicians haven’t been dragging down the economy with irrational social policy (and thereby hurting the poorest). They have been detached and rational, empowering experts to act in the best interests of their economy by liberalised markets, pushed free trade and encouraged productivity driving immigration to maximise total economic growth. The rationals have focused on the big picture over the local conditions, favouring growth that is unevenly and which the working classes don’t see because their segments stagnates or shrinks while their governments prioritise gross prosperity.
    Under the current conditions created by rationalist libertarian globalist, a populist leader with policies that are irrationally harmful on a national scale is a rational choice for individuals and groups struggling at a local level under those policies.


  5. @Stawek: you can’t avoid those pitfalls anyway in a democracy, since someone will willingly exploit the tragedy of commons, and use his extra income to regulatory capture. If you want to avoid those, you need “wise king”. With populism, at least you can avoid “I followed my heart” disasters.

    @Dobablo: stocks are skyrocketing since election day, despite Trump couldn’t have any impact until inauguration. GDP is growing because people have positive expectations and instead of sitting on their money, they buy, build, hire.

    Focusing on GDP is retarded. Somalia ($6217M GDP) is better place than Liechtenstein ($5488M GDP) by this standard. You should focus on GDP/capita. By immigration, you indeed add GDP with every person, but you also add people, lowering the average GDP/capita. If you don’t see this as a problem, I suggest you invite Somalis to your country. Oh wait, Obama beat me to that idea and it works perfectly. Active TB and polio is back in the USA!

    Also, even GDP/capita is bad to display negative social events. For example you have your money in the bank. I burn down your house. You take the money out and buy construction services and furniture. Yay GDP growth!

    These globalists simply fell in love with global GDP and allowed China and carpetbaggers to exploit their zeal, decreasing the GDP/capita in the USA, turning Mexico into a war zone, setting up the World economy for a great depression (the moment China doesn’t want/can’t finance the US debt, it’ll all come down). They simply ignored facts that were inconvenient (China being controlled economy, illegals being illegals) and acted as a bunch of crazed cultists until they were stopped by non-college educated people with the weird idea that they should live better than their grandparents.


  6. American colleges are idiot factories. The days where they served as a litmus test that would never allow Arthasdklol to make it to your doorstep for a job interview are long past. Take you average shrieking purple-haired freak at an anti-Trump protest and they probably have more education and less IQ than the average guy being outDPSed by the healer.


  7. Not disputing the graph. But a significant bulk of the rise was due to consumer purchases on things like automobiles. Funded by credit plans, not savings dependent on the resale price of the car as well as the purchaser’s ability to pay. These plans have be securitised and sold on. In other words this is following the same pattern as the subprime fiasco (and the growth that preceded it). The exposure isn’t the same but all bubbles burst.


  8. @lubote kong: that doesn’t change the fact that people are more optimistic than they were a year ago. The guy believes that he’ll be able to repay his car loan and the banker believes that he’ll make profit on the loan. The validity of these beliefs is irrelevant. What matters is that the same people who cry “fascism” are optimistic enough to get/give loan.


  9. People (Gevlon included) are confusing survival and success.
    You cater to base classes to survive. To thrive and succeed, you cater to the most gifted and the ones with the most ability to realize their gifts.

    There is a balance to be struck, and the most successful societies in history were the ones that strike that balance.

    The current problem is that the people who are supposedly in the best position to realize their gifts haven’t really succeeded at much of anything for damn near two generations now. So they either:

    1) Are cooking up ideas for success that start to run counter towards the survival of those in worse positions (your usual SJW, whether (s)he realises it or not. Also, less vocal but no less important, those who push tech progress at the expense of literally everything else). They are essentially doing the “adapt or die” thing.

    2) Are falling back to old ideas of traditional modernity to a bigger or lesser extent (national state, direct democracy, cultural conservatism), in hopes of finding a solid foothold to survive on. These are attempting to recreate success formulas from the past and hope that these formulas will bring true success.

    I think both positions are wrong. But if i was forced to choose one with a gun to my head, i’d pick the second.


  10. @Maxim: I strictly believe that the middle classes are performing the needed work for the plans of the elite to succeed. The rocket flying to the Moon was built by simple mechanics, transported by simple truckers, from materials gained by simple miners.

    Any activity that damages the middle class is decreasing our ability to implement any great plans. So while I see the danger of becoming mediocre (the middle class if left on its own devices just work for status items like jewelry), an year of mediocracy is just “live today, fight tomorrow”, while something that damages them can damage our abilities for decades. Even if I had total control over the rest of the planet, I had trouble fixing Libya, while mere total control over Germany would be enough for me to put Germans on the Mars in 5 years.


  11. Somehow that sounds exactly like someone explained benefits of communism to me. “Communism is when everything is done for the proletariat, because if the proletariat feels good, everyone else also feels good”.


  12. @Antze K: the goals of the communists were good. Their method was stupid. Business competition and private ownership of means of production is needed for the good of the proletariat.


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